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September
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On Agenda |
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Outside the
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An Interview with MPO Head on what to expect from the
Fourth Development Plan |
The challenges marking Iran’s relations with global economy
and politics are currently a hot debate. Based on the report issued by the
World Bank on Iran’s economic outlook up to 2020, one of the serious
challenges faced by the Iranian economy during this period is unemployment,
which would continue to soar as a result of inadequate domestic and foreign
investments. During the past few months, economic and industrial officials
have been talking about the future prospects and the country’s industrial
strategy for the next 20 years. They even published a book on the subject.
Mohammad Sattarifar, head of the Management and Planning Organization talks
about the Fourth Economic Development Plan, which is to start within the next
two years. The summary of his interview follows:
The amount of investment is a function of political and
economic security of a country, that is, if we failed to interact with the
global economy and eliminate existing challenges, job creation goals of the
Fourth Plan will not be achievable. At present, the issue is economic policies
of the Fourth Plan and interaction with the global economy. The question is
where we would end up in case of not interacting with the global economy?
This is a good question. I think this is
the 54th year that economic planning has been in vogue in Iran. Iran has been
among few countries that tried to realize its economic goals in a systematic,
planned manner. During five plans carried out before and three plans that were
implemented after the revolution, the country has adopted various approaches
each of which has been ensued by certain achievements. But a total of five
pre-revolution and three post-revolution plans could not help the country
reach a sustainable development capable of playing an effective role in the
global economy.
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Joining WTO is
inevitable for every country. The later we join, the more would be the
loss. A country would be respected in WTO that has a clear definition of
itself, but we continue to damage such natural resources as water, soil
and forest. |
Of course, besides our failures to
realize the goals of our development plans, we have had considerable
achievements too. Therefore, on the threshold of the Fourth Economic
Development Plan, we can daresay that the country is ready for an economic
leap. Anyway, the achievements of the past 54 years have provided suitable
grounds for that economic leap. An important thing that must be done is to
safeguard this achievement, which is the result of half a century endeavors.
In fact, the impetus behind the next plan would depend on how the country
would safeguard this achievement. By country, I mean the government, the
Judiciary and the Parliament. Therefore, any carelessness in this regard will
deal heavy blows to the country’s might.
However, in addition to good capacities,
we have many structural problems too. We have software problems related to
workforce. We have an army of young people looking for jobs. On the other
hand, we have vacant capacities that cannot be taken advantage of due to
managerial and executive problems. On the other hand, we are grappling with
acute imbalances. That is, various regions lack sufficient conditions for an
economic leap. Economic leap would be possible in a country where the
atmosphere and activities are not harmonized. Another problem is the national
division of labor. Without a clear definition of the national division of
labor, no country can accede to World Trade Organization (WTO).
Joining WTO is inevitable for every
country. The later we join, the more would be the loss. A country would be
respected in WTO that has a clear definition of itself, but we continue to
damage such natural resources as water, soil and forests. We have widespread
poverty and social delinquencies. These are problems that are plaguing our
country now. I mean, 54 years of efforts have made us ready for an economic
leap. If this is going to continue, two things must be cleared. One is the
enormous capacities of the country and another one being all-out historical
problems with which we have been and are grappling. I want to broaden the
discussion by referring to four important points. Firstly, past economic,
social and investment grounds provided by the government and the people have
paved the way for an economic leap. Secondly, we have enormous resources which
are gaining more importance as time goes by. In the past our borders were less
important and the global trade was limited. Today, however, the global trade
is concerned with removing national borders. Thirdly, we are facing numerous
economic, social, individual and institutional problems. Fourthly, the country
must progress and develop while safeguarding its dignity. We must wait and see
what the decision-making bodies such as the government, Judiciary and the
legislature are going to do in this regard.
You are right. But the Fourth Plan is being drawn up at a
time that Iran is facing many outside challenges. We are also facing
challenges inside the country, which have distinguished the Fourth Plan from
previous plans. Meanwhile, the global conditions are much different than the
past. Are we ready to deal with these conditions? If yes, how we are going to
do that?
This pertains to viewpoints of
officials. The more officials have a unified understanding of the past, the
capacities, the bottlenecks and the future challenges, the more impetus would
be provided for growth and development. So far, we have not been able to do
this.
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Development does
not need big resources, but an understanding. Development of any given
country does not start with resources, but it is initiated through a
common wisdom and determination among state officials. |
By officials, I mean high-ranking
officials, whose unified understanding forms the country’s strategy. The more
the understanding, the more we can progress. In Iran it is customary that when
we talk about the past performance, differences are minimal. Planning experts
say, "Think globally, act locally", but our approach to large-scale and
small-scale issues is different. If our country reached a consensus on
small-scale issues, we could take the next step to solve problems. Due to
current conditions in the country, if you ask me whether our country deserves
the current circumstances, I would say no. In fact, the current situation is a
big impediment for every kind of development. Development does not need big
resources, but an understanding. Development of any given country does not
start with resources, but it is initiated through a common wisdom and
determination among state officials. The officials can learn and teach through
that common determination. Opportunities are very rare and very precious too,
but we have not recognized this point yet.
If the Fourth Plan is to address the
country’s capacities and deal with the existing bottlenecks, it has to create
resources and opportunities and to do this the officials must have a new
analysis of these conditions to be able to create new resources by taking
advantage of new opportunities.
What measures have thus far been taken to create that
understanding and coordination without which no development plan can be
formulated?
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Our choices are
becoming more and more limited. We are destined to hit a deadlock before
being forced to choose. Under those conditions, we would have to settle
for something inferior. |
The developed countries have worked on
this issue during the past 60 years and the World Bank, in a book written
about several Southeast Asian nations, has specified several stepping stones
for development. It has referred to consolidation of governments in such
countries as South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, Singapore
and Malaysia and it has explained to what extent those governments have
implemented economic reforms, land reforms and promoted capital aggregation.
It concludes that the government is the cornerstone of development. A
neoclassic, institutionalist economist, who is at loggerheads with the
government of his/her country says, "The government is responsible for
development or underdevelopment." But what kind of government? They say it can
be done by a sovereign government, which can attune with the rest of the world
and can write a development plan and then institutionalize it. After
institutionalization, it must be capable of establishing as much creative
atmosphere as possible and must cooperate for the reconstruction of the
country and job creation.
These conditions do not exist in our
country. That is, the three powers do not have correct understanding of the
elements making up the country’s development. The government intends to
encourage investment and reduce unemployment, but it is the Judiciary that
must establish security and pave the way. If both of them act in a coordinated
manner, but the Parliament is not cooperative, nothing could be accomplished.
The country must have a development
plan, but if we cannot act in unison, we would not get anywhere. Therefore, we
must do several things to compile a plan. The first step is to become
harmonized. Can we write a development plan to show that at what a dangerous
juncture the country is? We would have been immune if we could have erected a
wall around the country, but this is meaningless in the 21st century.
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The money cannot
solve our problems. Our views with regard to the country’s strategies
are varied and multiple. We have serious problems in this regard. |
Our choices are becoming more and more
limited. We are destined to hit a deadlock before being forced to choose.
Under those conditions, we would have to settle for something inferior. With
the current arrangement and incoordination, the result would be going for an
inferior choice. But if we want to reach a practical, theoretical and
executive pact, we have to pay attention to these points during the Fourth
Plan. The Fourth Plan must not only continue the achievements of the Third
Plan, but also address our weaknesses. Anyway, our state arrangements are not
suitable. Hierarchical arrangements, structural arrangements, missions and the
arrangements of our information technology are not good. The same is true
about the Judiciary. When we have city and village councils, the Majlis is
still supposed to discuss about construction of a bridge, a school or a
bathroom in a village or pay attention to large-scale programs? There are many
instances of such issues. We must pay attention to important issues during the
Fourth Plan. The necessity to renovate the government, the Judiciary, the
Parliament and the necessity to understand that the country cannot be run
through a security approach. We must believe that we cannot progress by
ignoring the rights of people, women, youths, ethnic groups and various
cultures. We cannot succeed in isolation. Our approach must entail a suitable
interaction based on non-interference and détente. Therefore, when we were
drawing up the Fourth Plan, we dealt with all social, economic, cultural,
environmental, domestic and foreign issues. Then we came to know Iran and the
world and the position of Iran in the world and the region. We delineated 44
general objectives for the future to guide us through all programs. We said
the prerequisite for realizing these objectives was to come up with a suitable
configuration for the country. Schumacher says, "Development does not being
with resources, but with discipline and organization."
If different powers and officials
managed to establish discipline among them, we would be provided with the most
important impetus for development. The money cannot solve our problems. Our
views with regard to the country’s strategies are varied and multiple. We have
serious problems in this regard.
The Management and Planning Organization and the government
have understood these necessities since long ago, but other parts of the
system are not in line with them. What can you do to make them comply?
The Fourth Plan is concerned with
outlooks for the first time. We paid attention to all issues and saw, for
example, that we have problems with regard to judicial security, or human
rights. We have vacant capacities and are facing challenges in a constantly
changing world. We must empower one another and to do this, we would need
transparent information. We have gathered the required information during past
4-5 months and it first achievement was that they say they had not received
such reports before.
We warn the officials that although we
are very rich, we may become very poor. We must do something.
From what you say, one may come to the conclusion that
achieving opportunities and getting rid of threats depends on the political
development of the country. Will this be included in the Fourth Economic
Development Plan as a precondition?
Since I am a graduate of economics, I do
not want to talk about the politics. However, anytime that democracy has
governed, people have been participating and parties have been free to express
their views, the economic growth has been more sustained. If political
development were pursued, the way would be paved for the realization of the
economic development plans, while in the absence of political development, the
plan would be left for the next minister and he would easily say, "Discard
this! I don’t want it!" For this reason, when I presented my report to the
Cabinet, I used the word ‘development’. We did not distinguish among social,
political as well as economic development. The realities are intertwined. Any
development in the economic field would be an achievement of political
development. The main achievement of the political development is to give
people hope and vivacity and encourage their participation. Any program that
does not give people hope and does not encourage their participation is doomed
to fail.
The conditions you talked about are remarkable. The
question is if the Fourth Plans failed to achieve its goals, what would happen
to Iran?
We have identified problems, capacities, and challenges. We
mentioned 12 fields and stipulated that serious work was necessary in these
fields to facilitate the country’s progress and its interaction with the
global economy. We cannot claim that we must have a powerful economy, but
consider any global ties as slavery. Iranian economy has been a one-way road
since the time of Qajars. We must try to boost our economy by renovating it
though domestic technology. We can even find our way into WTO. The next step
following active interaction with global economy would be creating economic
competitiveness. Other important points included human and social security,
national security, upgrading standard of living, protecting environment,
cultural development, developing state management, balanced judicial
development, ... If these 12 fields were to be changed, the whole plan would
change. We cannot aim for sustainable development and always be at loggerheads
with the international community. If these 12 fields are tampered with, the
theoretical basis of the plan will be destroyed. Our per capita revenue will
be the lowest among regional countries during upcoming years. The danger is
right around the corner. Perhaps some people do not like this, but we must
understand that most dangers threatening us are from within. People want more
welfare, they are more informed. When we look at the region we see that Turkey
or Thailand, for example, have progressed, but we would have no right to
choose because we would be at an impasse. The officials must reach a consensus
in this regard. We must get rid of false discussions with which we are dealing
in the media everyday. |
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